Thanks Kassen, perfect.
Nomic is the one I was looking for here. I've played Fluxx and I don't
believe you can write entirely new rules in that, you can only swap
within the existing cards (well, unless you decide arbitrarily to do
so...), but following your links lots of relevant material around it
seems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_mutable_rules
and I like the blank cards.
Your 'add a rule' game is similar to the lecture demo I sometimes run
of passing out live coding cards which say 'pass this card on after
modifying this instruction' ; )
Cheers,
Nick
On 7 Nov 2009, at 17:52, Kassen wrote:
> Nick;
>
> and then forgetting the primary examples. They were discussed on the
> livecode list a few years back, but couldn't find them from a hunt
> of the archives. Does this jog anyone's memory?
>
>
> Yeah, I mentioned those in the Glassbeadgame discussion.
>
> First of all there is Nomic ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic )
> which is a game where when it's your turn you have to create and
> propose a rules change or amendment which is then voted on by all
> players. It's largely based on the structure of Western law&
> politics and makes clear how those too are self-referential
> (politicians should abide by the law as well). The text to go to
> here is by Douglas Hofstadter in his book "Metamagical Themas", that
> book is a all-round worthwhile purchase for list-members. There is a
> lot of stuff there about creativity, structure and rules. Nomic
> could be seen as a sort of conceptual work, a note on the nature of
> politics but I recommend actually playing it once. I suggest keeping
> a laptop at hand for convenient centralised book-keeping.
>
> Then, more modern, more commercial (well; it's for sale) and far
> more accessible there is Fluxx ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Fluxx ). Fluxx is a card-game that can be picked up in 3 or so
> minutes; the rules in the beginning are that when it's your turn you
> draw one card and play one card. That's all of the rules at that
> point. If you want more rules you'll have to play "new rule" cards,
> when you'd like to win you'll have to play a "goal" card. The game
> normally only has one goal, but of course you can change the rules
> to allow for more goals. These days there are quite a few variations
> (like a zombie themed one) but list members will probably be more
> interested in the packs of blank cards that better stocked game
> stores have. Very charming game in that non-nerds will pick it up
> and have fun yet it still shows that it was created by a ex-NASA asm
> coder. Some rounds will be borderline random, at other times you can
> win through a carefully planned chain-reaction. There's a online
> version that's free to play but I think it's more fun to create your
> own new cards and play with friends. The meta game quickly becomes
> winning by being the one to pay most attention but of course that
> can easily be subverted with some new cards that reference -say-
> drinks.
>
> Then there is this, which I believe Fluxx is based on; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000_Blank_White_Cards
>
> I didn't document it but during the #slackpact/ #hackpact month I
> experimented with writing "add a new rule at the bottom and pass the
> notepad on" on the first page of a blank notepad at a birthday party
> and passing it on. Results were somewhat amusing (it was quite
> interesting how some players felt the urge to write in pseudo-code).
> The session ended fairly quickly in a system-crash due to
> intentionally illegible instructions. I think Luc also added a dirty
> picture. When I try this again I won't start at the top of the page
> and use a single long sheet of paper; it turned out to be quite
> interesting to add conditions at the top of the page, affecting the
> first rule. This "game" requires 0 preparation and explanation but
> more than Nomic it depends on the goodwill of the players.
>
> That's the basics of the stuff that was mentioned, I think.
>
> Happy playing (oh, how I love the double meaning of that word)
> Kas.
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