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Subject: Re: [livecode] non-linguistic programming
Sent: Tue, 08 Jan 2008
From: douglas edric stanley<destanley_at_mac.com>
> >So to get back to your comment you are assuming
> >that code requires a machine to be "useful" - or
> >put another way you are making a statement that
> >only causal outcomes are a valid use of program
> >code.
>
> Well no, I wouldn't make that statement, because
> obviously you /can/ write pseudo-code and it
> still makes sense. But it is still a part of the
> machinic process. It is an activity in relation
> to machines and to execution stacks, so even if
> pseudo-code needs no machine, it is still a
> machinic diagram, i.e. part of a machinic
> apparatus. Machinic thinking, if you will.
>
> Which indeed, I agree with you, distinguishes it somewhat to mathematics.
>
> >>Anyway, music without instruments and musicians
> >>is just as absurd as music without music.
> >>That's probably why Wittgenstein was the only
> >>appropriate response.
> >
> >So you've never been on a long walk with an ABBA
> >song running around your head?
>
> Oh sure. Steigler has some interresting things to
> say about that, by the way, if you're
> interrested. But that would lead us a bit too
> much off subject.
>
> Still, the music in your head is instrumental.
> And a melody that you hum along to yourself is
> even all the more instrumental. It's your body
> that actualizes the melody. As does your
> consciousness, even if you don't actually make
> any noise. This is pretty basic hermeneutics.
> Husserl would be the starting point, and his
> writings on temporal retention in relation to the
> temporality of consciousness.
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