Oh, just in case: the previous message was with the best intentions,
i'm not pointing any fingers or accusing anyone of conspiring against
non-EU places (?).
Saludos,
Mauro
On 4/30/19, Mauro <lavaramano_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> i agree with Sarah.
> To me it feels like "yeah sure, you're invited to the party. you
> celebrate at home but you're totally invited to the party."
>
> probably Norah Lorway was talking about something else, but i've been
> feeling like this about "the livecoding scene": same thing over and
> over again.
> """
> just because there is a code of conduct for your music/tech event
> doesn't always = inclusive. stuff gets cliquey and gatekeeper-y very
> fast, with the same people doing the same stuff. Just saying.
> """
> https://twitter.com/norahlo/status/1115761385407954944
>
> what i'm trying to say is: "the livecoding scene" feels european and
> perhaps north-american, and that's it. sure, i could celebrate ICLC in
> Arg, but why would i bother doing that when I could just simply do it
> any day.
> if you're thinking in making the conf accesible think about moving the
> conf to other places outside the places mentioned above.
> for example: Joanne's experience in BA
> here's a twitter thread:
> https://twitter.com/joannnne/status/1115921660228636672
>
> i'm not saying that this is an easy task or that you should move the
> conf to BA, but consider that there are other places, and the people
> will definitely show interest in the topic.
>
> On 4/30/19, Sarah Groff-Palermo <sarah.groff.palermo_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looking at this from my geographic vantage, any place I go is going to be
>> a
>> long flight if it's not just going to be the same people I could see
>> anyways. So I would rather have the most possible people when I get
>> there.
>> That seems like it will be the case for most of the Americas, really.
>>
>> At the same time, there are even fewer visualists that music-focused
>> people, which means splitting up hurts us even more. It was so huge to in
>> Spain to be able to really spend time with other visuals folks.
>>
>> I know this is just one perspective and I can see some of the points of
>> competing ones, for sure, but personally, it would be a big and
>> disappointing change.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:37 PM Evan Raskob <evanraskob_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought that what David just wrote was the idea? No that people
>>> couldn't
>>> travel, but there would be more (maybe closer) places to travel to?
>>>
>>> There's always the risk of having too many hubs an splitting up he crowd
>>> too much, but given how widespread the community is an how
>>> hard/expensive
>>> it can be to travel halfway around the world it seems like there could
>>> be
>>> a
>>> few more local hubs?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:01 PM Ogborn, David <ogbornd_at_mcmaster.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps people still could travel to particular hubs though, if they
>>>> want
>>>> and are able? Even for those who want to get out of their local scene,
>>>> they
>>>> might then have a choice of where they would like to go for the
>>>> conference.
>>>>
>>>> -D
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 30, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Sarah Groff-Palermo <
>>>> sarah.groff.palermo_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't think preemptively deciding for people that they shouldn't
>>>> travel
>>>> is best for our community. It is a lot easier when you live in Europe
>>>> than
>>>> elsewhere to say "don't fly but you'll still meet people."
>>>>
>>>> Leaving aside all the arguments about whether individual action is even
>>>> a
>>>> plausible response to the crisis, I think letting people choose how
>>>> they
>>>> want to offset their travel is reasonable.
>>>>
>>>> Scenes are already incredibly insular; I would hate to see the one
>>>> mechanism that seems to exist to push at that disappear.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:19 AM Evan Raskob <evanraskob_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is it worth taking this discussion to the new forum, alex? It seems
>>>>> like
>>>>> it might be better for conversation.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 4:13 PM Alex McLean <alex_at_slab.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but this is an existential crisis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree though that cultural exchange is important, and potentially
>>>>>> part of the solution rather than problem. So we have to be
>>>>>> imaginative
>>>>>> and practical in coming up with something that fits best for our
>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 15:47, Sarah Groff-Palermo
>>>>>> <sarah.groff.palermo_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Eh, honestly, I can see the people in my city all the time. While I
>>>>>> understand the reasons, I'd be pretty disappointed with a distributed
>>>>>> ICLC.
>>>>>> To me the whole point is to meet the bigger community.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:39 AM Tom Karches <tkarches_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Going along with this should be an effort to encourage
>>>>>> geographically local groups to form. Which makes the entire community
>>>>>> stronger. Local community is important.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Tom
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 3:40 AM Alex McLean <alex_at_slab.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Anyone interested in hosting a 'hub' as part of a future,
>>>>>> distributed
>>>>>> >>> edition of ICLC? The idea being to reduce impact on the
>>>>>> >>> environment
>>>>>> >>> and make the conference more accessible to people who can't
>>>>>> >>> afford/spare the time for long haul flights. Should be a lot
>>>>>> >>> easier
>>>>>> >>> than hosting a whole ICLC.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Let me know if you'd like to join a discussion exploring this
>>>>>> >>> idea
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> cheers
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> alex
>>>>>> >>>
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>>>>>> >>
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