On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 3:12 AM, Tristan Strange <tristan.strange_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Did someone mention "don't forget - music is an executable language" yet?
>
> I think people have hinted. How does that help us talk about live coding?
>
In the context of whether it's a good idea to separate live coding from
music when discussing it. While it makes sense to do so in some instances,
there's a historical relationship between software and music that shouldn't
be ignored.
>
> I agree if you're talking about music notation.... in the same way as
> a recipe is right?
>
Sort of - Although a) notation has to be thought of more broadly than
traditional notation - to include John Cage, graphical notation, and so
on... and b) music often has structures that can resemble software
structures.... which is of course why livecoding music tends to work well..
Somewhat related text: Some of the other old-timers on the list will recall
the turn of the century software art texts like this one by Florian
Cramer... written at a time when the public and artists were trying to
understand process based software in art vs. Photoshop, etc. (Well, they
still are, but there's a much better grasp of software driving web apps in
real time, etc.)
http://www.netzliteratur.net/cramer/concepts_notations_software_art.html
(Now, how can I livecode me some John Cage action?....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yybn6iKmYdQ )
>
> Or are you an arts student and talking about something far more
> nebulous and wobbly?
>
No, I'm a nebulous wobbly old arts professor... we get so creaky in our old
age... ;-)
-Amy
>
> On 27 December 2015 at 10:09, Amy Alexander <amyjalexander_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Did someone mention "don't forget - music is an executable language" yet?
> > If not, then...
> > Don't forget, music is an executable language.
> >
> > Merry Break Down Your Boxes Day in B Flat...
> >
> > -Amy
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Tristan Strange <
> tristan.strange_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Zoe!
> >>
> >> > I hope you don't mind my eavesdropping until I know a little bit more.
> >>
> >> I'm not bothered at all. Google and GCHQ are listening!
> >>
> >> > I'm new to this group and coding in general.
> >>
> >> I'm relatively new round here too and really should have done an
> >> introduction too.
> >>
> >> Live coders are much friendlier than what my OP might indicate. I'm
> >> just being a christmassy git to try and conversation going.
> >>
> >> If any particular LC description resonates with you I'd love to hear
> >> about it! Experience isn't a pre-requisite for knowing what your on
> >> about.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Tris
> >>
> >>
> >> On 25 December 2015 at 16:13, Zoe C Berger <zoecberger_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I'm new to this group and coding in general.
> >> >
> >> > I'm an artist using live code as artistic medium. I'm still figuring a
> >> lot of things out. I hope you don't mind my eavesdropping until I know a
> >> little bit more. It's nice to hear others views on this
> >> >
> >> > Also, merry merry , ect ...
> >> >
> >> > Zoe
> >> >
> >> >> On Dec 25, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Tristan Strange <
> tristan.strange_at_gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It warms my cockles to see people thinking about live code on
> >> >> Christmas day... I've been told I'm not to think about it and am
> >> >> sneaking this response in!
> >> >>
> >> >> Really nice to see some sentences that'll stand up to a prod or two!
> >> >>
> >> >> Even the cats definition isn't as bad as some on the list....
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 25 December 2015 at 14:00, David Griffiths <dave_at_pawfal.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>> Hi all,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 24/12/15 21:39, alex wrote:
> >> >>>> I'm going to have to bite..
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On 24 December 2015 at 19:25, David Barbour <dmbarbour_at_gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>> Live coding is using a powerful language as an HCI. This is
> opposed
> >> to
> >> >>>>> using application specific language (predefined forms or widgets,
> a
> >> weak
> >> >>>>> CLI language, etc.) that hinder flexible expression or
> abstraction.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I think it's worth separating live coding from its application in
> >> >>>>> performance and music. With augmented reality, and internet of
> >> things, or
> >> >>>>> semantic webs, we could see a much wider applications.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Yeah we wouldn't want to see such a passing, limited interest topic
> >> >>>> such as "music" seen in the same light as these three much more
> >> >>>> important, far sighted and serious applications! It's not as though
> >> >>>> music is woven into just about every human ritual or anything like
> >> >>>> that.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> While music may or may not be a good application of livecoding 'as a
> >> >>> tool' - it even might be the case that computation *is* music, and
> by
> >> >>> experiencing it's construction by a performer, we may be able to
> learn
> >> >>> something about the algorithmic world we live in.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In a similar way, livecoding also has potential to expose clearly a
> >> >>> secret aspect of technology - the way it's pursued in a fumbling,
> >> zigzag
> >> >>> approach with many restarts - rather than the smooth, planned
> series of
> >> >>> 'innovations' that people who want us to invest in their companies
> >> would
> >> >>> like us to believe.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Nice to be discussing this stuff here again :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> cheers,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> dave
> >> >>>
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