OK in fairness to Sean, there is this on pg. 7:
"Still, real-time live programming is useful when changing the past is
not nonsensical; e.g. programming a live performance [22] or physical
robot [9]."
Interesting what statements the focus on offline debugging turn up! I
think we do need to inject time back into this discussion, as
something relevant to lived experience, and not manipulable post-hoc
as standard.
alex
On 9 April 2013 09:08, alex <alex_at_lurk.org> wrote:
> On 7 April 2013 23:02, Julian Rohrhuber
> <julian.rohrhuber_at_musikundmedien.net> wrote:
>> the lack of reference to live coding and its history is a little stunning, but this is how you can witness parallelism in history of discourse.
>> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4714
>
> Here's another:
> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4715
>
> The lack of reference to live coding does seem unhealthy, particularly
> as Sean and I had an extensive email conversation relating live
> programming and live coding a couple of months back, which seems to
> have shaped his context implicitly but not explicitly. If there is
> parallelism here, it's wilful.
>
> That said, Sean is talking about a very specific use of programming
> languages. For Sean, any live interactivity with the outside world
> gets in the way, and makes a programming language less usable
> (according to some implicit definition of usable). In other words,
> Sean argues that programming is only live if it does not involve any
> live I/O!
>
> This makes a bit more sense in the context of Chris Nash et al's
> terms; Sean's only interested in "live" feedback in the manipulation
> loop between programmer and code. Making this distinction clear by
> example and reference, i.e. helping defining what he means by
> "usable", would have avoided confusion and annoyance, but hey.
>
> Beyond this, I don't think there is real software
> engineering/performance technology parallelism. Many of us have boats
> in both ponds, the LIVE workshop at ICSE have made efforts to point to
> the various histories at play, etc. It might be helpful for someone to
> write a good live coding review paper to the software engineering
> community though, I'd be happy to contribute to such a thing...
>
> Cheers,
>
> alex
>
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