On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 1:55 AM, thor <th.list_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, Larry Cuba presented GRASS and animations made with it at Seeing
> Sound last year. He showed a video that included live coding by Tom DeFanti.
>
> I was quite blown away. Larry, I think, was just hearing about live coding
> for the first time there, and realising that they'd been live coding in the
> 70s.
>
> There are probably people all over the world who will recognise that
> they've been live coding in the past if the concept is introduced to them.
>
I've been doing interpreted real-time visuals intermittently for 20 years,
been involved with *this* form of livecoding for about 10, and never
connected them until yesterday. Possibly I've even discussed it with Larry
in recent years, and it didn't click for either of us, at least the way I
described it. I think the connections I didn't make (and I'm not sure if I
still do) is/are:
* The importance of showing the code (I don't know any interpreted-graphics
visualist who has displayed code outside of here)
* Doing it as live performance as opposed to output to film or video
* It making a conceptual difference to artist or audience in the end
product. E.g., an animator who has made films shot both in real time and
using single frame techniques probably felt it was a different way of
working and found pros and cons to each, but likely separates that
experience from the output. For worse or better, most of us have been
trained to not get too wound up in the process and only focus on what the
audience can obviously experience.
Also, a lot of the context for the work, esp. with Dan and Tom, is related
to tradition of real-time analog synth performance (which is not far from
audio analog synth performance.) See "Sandin Image Processor" if you're not
familiar with it. Dan did a talk for my grad seminar a year or so ago
where he mentioned that he really liked knobs on the analog synths as a
performative interface. So going back and forth from that environment to
real-time interpreted visual programming within the same lab setup (and
switcher) would be the logical way to do it.
Here's a Sandin IP link while I'm at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qh6jRzjmcY
Happy Pixels!
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Amy Alexander <amyjalexander_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 1:55 AM, thor <th.list_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, Larry Cuba presented GRASS and animations made with it at Seeing
>> Sound last year. He showed a video that included live coding by Tom DeFanti.
>>
>> I was quite blown away. Larry, I think, was just hearing about live
>> coding for the first time there, and realising that they'd been live coding
>> in the 70s.
>>
>> There are probably people all over the world who will recognise that
>> they've been live coding in the past if the concept is introduced to them.
>>
>
> I've been doing interpreted real-time visuals intermittently for 20 years,
> been involved with *this* form of livecoding for about 10, and never
> connected them until yesterday. Good chance I've even discussed it with
> Larry in recent years and it didn't click for either of us, at least the
> way I described it. I think the connections I didn't make (and I'm not sure
> if I still do) is/are:
>
> * The importance of showing the code (I don't know any
> interpreted-graphics visualist who has displayed code outside of here)
> * Doing it as live performance as opposed to output to film or video, as
> it was traditionally done
> * It making a conceptual difference to artist or audience in the end
> product. E.g., an animator who has made films shot both in real time and
> using single frame techniques probably felt it was a different way of
> working and found pros and cons to each, but likely separates that
> experience from the output. Most of us have been trained to not get too
> wound up in the process and only focus on what the audience can obviously
> experience.
>
> Also, a lot of the context for the work, esp. with Dan and Tom, is related
> to tradition of real-time analog synth performance (which is not far from
> audio analog synth performance.) See "Sandin Image Processor" if you're not
> familiar with it. Dan did a talk for my grad seminar a year or so ago
> where he mentioned that he really liked knobs on the analog synths as a
> performative interface. So going back and forth from that environment to
> real-time interpreted visual programming within the same lab setup (and
> switcher) would be the logical way to do it.
>
> Here's a Sandin IP link while I'm at it:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qh6jRzjmcY
>
> Happy Pixels!
> -Amy
>
>
>
>>
>> Are there examples of people live coding analog and mechanical computers?
>>
>> Thor
>>
>> On 2 Dec 2014, at 23:28, Amy Alexander <amy_at_plagiarist.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I remember RT/1! Larry Cuba got me started with it around 1994, though
>> it
>> > was a senior citizen language by then - the GRASS languages had been
>> around
>> > for quite awhile, and RT/1 was the last GRASS. I think I made too many
>> > fatal errors to consider it live coding though. :-) But it was exciting
>> to
>> > program animation on a PC!
>> >
>> > Nostalgia!
>> >
>> > -Amy
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM, alex <alex_at_slab.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wow, this is new to me! This is as impressive as it is laid back. Love
>> >> the integration with the 'tablet'.. Really nice stuff. Nice to see
>> >> this early live coding was for graphics and not music, and that people
>> >> were pondering on performances without audiences back then.
>> >>
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