Hey its me .. the quite one again :)
I love this shit and Ive always liked daves connection to games and
gaming as a performance style medium.
So just to add a little to this thread...
http://www.thinkinggames.co.uk/content/?p=167
A post i wrote on my research blog about the gambits system in ff12
Loosely connected to
http://www.thinkinggames.co.uk/content/?p=165
http://www.thinkinggames.co.uk/content/?p=158
on using macro script programming tools like 'glider'
to create botting scripts for mmorpgs
I love this sort of programming intervention and the way they have to do
stuff like pixel picking to check health levels etc.. ace
its been a recent hobby of mine to follow and identify botters.
Been doing quite a bit of research in the area etc..
and on a slight older but associated tip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Of_Babel_(computer_game)
was a programming game i loved as a kid.
and of course the obvious candidate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crobots
But you are right in terms of there being few modern examples
TBH some of the processes created by players in current mmos
is often equivalent to programming. WoW has frequently clamped down on
the penetration of its lua based scripting system to avoid exploits that
could practically automate complex systems ingame.
Along a similar but more tenuous line is the idea of rts systems as drag
n drop gui programming. Particularly the recent wave of tower defence
style games are a little like some sort of dsp filtering system (see
immortal defence?)
As you can tell, my work has been moving more into games and away from
the livecoding things i used to do, but this list stil keeps throwing
cool little infobits at me :)
>Kassen wrote:
>
>
> On 02/01/2008, *Dave Griffiths* <dave_at_pawfal.org
> <mailto:dave_at_pawfal.org>> wrote:
>
> That's really interesting, I haven't played any of the FF series for
> quite
> some time now. I wonder how far they will take this.
>
>
> Not far enough, so far, in my opinion.
>
> Interesting in how it works out in practice is that it doesn't have
> facilities for more complicated expressions; it's always;
>
> if (x) then do (y)
>
> So, if we have a rule that says especially large enemies should be
> attacked using a powerful fire spell the poor little characters will
> happily do this even if the monster eats fire or worse yet reflects it
> back.
>
> This feels limited but it also leads to chain-reactions that make you
> shout "What?!! stop doing that!" which should be a familiar feeling to
> most here. Mid-battle re-programming is fortunately possible. I would
> like something like a "unless" or "and" clause but as it is I suppose
> it's already quite daring as a interface.
>
> It looks like there are some hidden similar clauses at work. For example
> a character charged with casting protective spells on his friends won't
> do so if there is already such a spell on them.
>
>
> According to wikipedia:
>
> "Itō drew inspiration for gambits from plays in American football
> where each team member has a specific job to do based on the conditions
> and desired outcome."
>
> Sounds like it's worthy of further investigation for non-computer live
> coding :)
>
>
> Yes, indeed. Clearly we need access to a convention of Final Fantasy
> players, preferably one of those where people dress up as their
> favourite characters!
>
>
> Yours,
> Kas.
>
>
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